I’m curious.
How did you find out this info?
Although I have lightning setup and currently get daily earnings I have a question about the Estimated Rewards In Window and Estimated Earnings Next Block - are they over and above daily payments and only payable if a full block is found. I’m confused about those digits. They don’t correlate with the Unpaid Earnings window.
Thanks
The daily earnings estimate seems to be way off for me, and the number tends to fluctuate a lot. Do you mean you get paid daily earnings? I think I heard on a podcast that they work to an 8 (ocean) block window, and atm I’m waiting to see what happens when the 8th block is found (7 atm). If you look for the Ocean podcasts on YT and others that Mechanic has done you can pick up some info on how it works. I have not seen an official guide on exactly how payments work, which is frustrating.
I haven’t been on long enough to understand yet so my daily payout statement might be flawed although I put 2 additional miners onto OCEAN yesterday and received sats to my lightning channel 5 minutes after you posted a response to my query.
I re watched this video that had Mark Artymko and how he explains How TIDES works. Ramp up (8 blocks) and ramp down (8 blocks). Very interesting for sure. Below is his little diagram of how TIDES works:
I wont go into what he said because I will slaughter it… but if you want to hear what he has to say the time mark of TIDES is at 32:04 https://www.youtube.com/live/bIMwaGd9J4g?si=hmGQ5a6MujFZEatq
One takeaway that hit me right away is what he said about percentage contributions. Come on 50 BTC in one block is all I can say. 
I’m glad I found this little corner of the Interent and again thanks you very much @paul for letting me in.
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There were 2 payouts today due to datum blocks being found. I think the line by the red arrow means it is the beginning of a reward window (which I think is 8 Ocean blocks). I don’t know if the block payout gets reset when that happens.
I did just find this… OCEAN - TIDES Technical Documentation so I’ll be doing me some reading.
Hi @Fletcher - just wanted to circle back. It’s working! For my skill level, this is a minor miracle! Thank you so much for your help, and @paul too!
This is kinda of a punch in the face to scammy “hobby” miners just getting into mining. 
Q. Is my [insert non-ASIC miner name, or old ASIC miner name here] fast enough to mine with TIDES?
A. TIDES does not care what kind of miner you use. If you’re submitting valid shares, they’ll be added to the share log. That said, you need a miner (or group of miners in aggregate) that can make the minimum payout threshold set by the pool in a time frame that’s acceptable to you. For things like CPU miners or scammy “hobby” miners, this will simply never happen in a person’s lifetime. Even some older ASIC-based miners may take months or years to reach the minimum payout set by a pool.
An aside to that last part above “months or years to reach the minimum payout set by a pool”. Bolt12 sidestep that of course.
Just an observation of mine to share : This might explain why when I just had 2 Bitaxes (2.4TH/s combined) in the pool their share rate, which is a function of the Estimated Rewards In Window, was very low compared until I added 2 Nano S3’s (12TH/s combined) in the same time frame. (see image) Now another question comes to mind… I wonder if Ocean considers the Nano 3 scammy miner 
Probably.
That’s great Jeff, well done 
I don’t think they mean any malice, Bitaxe’s have really taken off and some feel the odds are stacked against them hitting blocks etc. and therefore don’t want to raise people’s hopes. They mine and earn sats like every other miner, if you’re happy with them mine away
Go Bro… stack them sats
I’d say Ocean just want us to participate in defending the network from centralised monopolies by allowing hashers to ethically pool in a manner which is true to the bitcoin ethos. The gravy is home miners building our knowledge to step off into solo mining to our own mempool instance using templates of our own choice. All machines are welcome!
I defiantly agree that OCEAN has no ill intent what-so-ever. I apologize if I came off like that as that was not my intention. I just thought their answer to the question was a bite harsh (but true).
No apology needed. We’re all on the same page me thinks and it’s goods to be hanging with folks operating on the same wavelength at a similar place knowledge wise
I’m a curious George at times so here goes. I have a few BitAxe’s pointed at Ocean through my own service (Datum, Knots) on my Start9. I have noticed that moving from Braiins pool to Ocean that the Shares amount (less than 1000 for 7 days) is very, very small compared to when on Brainns. I think Braiiins was into 10000+ (without Datum in the loop) over the same period. Before I get into how OCEAN works internally in the “Shares In Reward Window” I’m curious if others notice shares amount be low (if you have a low TH/s ASIC) and do you think that effects rewards/payouts? My thinking is it does because that’s how TIDES works.
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Think of shares as equivalent to blocks on the main chain. They have a difficulty adjustment which, like blocks, affects the rate at which they are mined. Ocean has (IMO) their minimum difficulty set a little too high (Braiins uses a more reasonable value). The effect is a lower number of shares within a given unit of time, which also generates a more volatile hash rate graph. Ultimately, though, the number of shares within unit time alone isn’t what defines your contribution – it is a combination of the number of shares + difficulty within unit time that does. A better metric to compare is the average hash rate over time. Obviously if you see a big difference there between Braiins vs Ocean, then that would be a concern. The share count alone just indicates that the two pools are sampling at different rates.
Just my own update. The Tides diagram seems a good guide, your miners ramp up to a certain level and then you slide from one reward window to the next, retaining the earnings per block you’ve earned (as long you continue to mine at the same level). As per the diagram you will continue to be paid after you stop mining until the reward window moves on again. Ocean blocks and Datum blocks trigger a payout.
Yes sir. I concur. I watched a bit of The Mechanic and I see where he mentions each share gets paid 8 times and of course the share window is 8 blocks worth of shares. It took a few days for OCEAN to find a block last week. Roughly 5 days but payout/rewards worked as he mentioned.
BTW - Have you ever looked up your own ranking? The Pool page is full of good info for sure. Everything is transparent as they mention. Another thing to take note of is who the power houses are…ZettaPow, Just for Krypto, Penguin, Bitcoin to the Moon, Munich International Mining, etc…those miners are really pumping in the Ph/s for sure.
BTW Fletcher - has the Estimated Earnings Per Day come into any resemblance vs. actual for you?
I haven’t taken any notice of that stat, I will try to keep an eye on it and see if it makes any more sense to me now.
There are interesting stats on the Pool page, total participants (1394 presently) , ALL user activity. Your ranking…I rank 701 out of 1394. More interestingly is the power users and their data.
I thought I was rocking with the Shares In Reward Window being 2.68G and Estimated Rewards In Window 8000. Come to find out I’m smaller than an ant compared the the PH/s workers on OCEAN.
